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Treat yourself, a relative or friend to a Christmas treat - a detailed look at UFO reports from specific periods of recent history. All available from Amazon.
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Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects: and Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (Unexpected Atlases) amzn.eu/d/0fRqvFe7
I wrote a book once⊠dunno how many of the hardbacks are left folks!
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Did the CIA, Not Aliens thumbnail @AmericanALCHMY used for their episode with Jason Jorjani piss me off to the point it pushed me to write this?
Yes.
Was this long overdue anyway?
Yes... I had this title and a rough copy of this in my drafts since his interview with @AeonByte in August and I asked @Jason_Jorjani the Aquino superchat.
Hope you'll enjoy this. I stayed up way past my bedtime to finish it... #ufox
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"I don't rule it out."
You don't rule out that the @jaystratton/@TheJonStratton family are fabricating what they saw?
I do.
There's ZERO benefit to sharing experiences like that.
Some will say: To write a book!
Sorry, but if you (not Ryan) think that's what this is about, you're lost.
And it helps that I've met Jay and Michele Stratton on two occasions. No deception ever detected.
One question I have: Why isn't the portal part of the wolf story in "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon (SATP)"? When Michele told me that part of the story in 2002 in Huntsville, I was surprised because it wasn't in SATP.
No, I don't think Jay Stratton and his family are fabricating what they saw. Or that they are all delusional.
I don't rule it out, but I find the idea that this is most likely questionable.
Most people donât have these kinds of "paranormal" experiences. And most people don't have these kinds of delusions either.
But the entire Stratton family just happens to be delusional or LARPing?
I'm not convinced. There is no reason to assume they all lack credibility.
You could make the same argument about the Ruwa Zimbabwe 1994 case. The 60+ kids were all delusional that they saw a saucer land and grays come out of it? And, by the way, they are still adamant that it happened even up to the present day.
Ultimately, if there is a spiritual or mystical dimension to reality, then at least some people are experiencing it, even if it's not well understood.
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The late Mary Elizabeth Elliot's lawyer, Jeffrey W. Griffith (who's now 76 and still practicing law), commenting on a UFO article in 2001. Link to the full article in replies.
"Jacques Vallee once wrote in The Invisible College that he thought that all of the sightings were an effort to change our cultural paradigm to accept and consider the existence of these way cool devices and their sometimes less than attractive occupants as a way of expanding our horizons.
"Of course, history teaches us that this sort of thing has been going on for as long as there have been records, and not much has been gained so far in the paradigm department. Then again, with mass communications and the Web, the pace of sharing is somewhat increased.
"Still, it seems that there is as much darkness around the subject now as when Pharaoh's generals assembled his armies about his palace when the circular UFOs hovered for five days over the Nile Valley, belching out noxious fumes and generally upsetting the world view of the locals. It's in the Pharaoh's Chronicles, but I don't recall that being covered in my Egyptian Archeology class. The two Plinys and Livy wrote about flying shields over Rome and other venues. While they get cited as the source for a lot of more conventional goings on, I don't recall anyone mentioning the flying shields passages in my high school and college courses on Latin literature and ancient Rome.
"What's the lyric? 'Everything old is new again.'
"So, take heart, man; maybe there's still a flying hubcap in your future."
Jeff Griffith
Newport Beach, CA
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"My dad knew about some of this [UFOs] way back in the 60s. He took his revolver, and ate his gun, and blew his head off." ~Patrick Hughes, Former DIA Director
(That's an alleged quote. Is it related to this? âŹïž)
In "Out of the Shadows," @jaystratton writes that former Lockheed VP, Jim Ryder, told him, "some of what had been discovered [about UFOs]...led individuals involved to...suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives."
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(Anybody who interviews Stratton, feel free to borrow any of my questions. The part about Hughes is towards the end.)
1) You co-created the AAWSAP program with Dr. James Lacatski. In, "Initial Revelations," he wrote that the United States is in possession of a craft of unknown origin and has successfully gained access to its interior. He confirmed that on "Weaponized."
What can you tell us about that and do you believe that we've been able to access one of the retrieved non-human craft that you write about in your book?
2) Next, play him this clip:
@JeremyCorbell: "We hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value."
Dr. James Lacatski: "[three-second pause] It hasn't been achieved to its full extent."
Clip... âŹïž
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More Qs for Stratton:
3) "Nobody expected to see Dr. Lacatski admit that. Jay, is it possible that the video of a trianglular craft that Lacatski showed you in 2005 was human technology, and that other triangles spotted around the world are also made by humans? Or do you disagree with Dr. Lacatski that we've made progress on reverse engineering triangles which are, presumably, of unknown origin?"
4) "He says not to their full extent but doesn't tell us exactly how far they were able to get. 75%? 90%? Do you know?"
5) "If we have that world-changing technology, why isn't the human race benefiting from it? When do the benefits of said technology, for humanity and the planet, outweigh the risks of letting it out into the world and risking it being turned into a weapon?"
6) "Have you seen any of the craft you say are being reverse engineered by the USG, with your own eyes, in person? I'm not talking about craft or beings you've seen at Skinwalker Ranch or in/at your home. I'm talking about being allowed into a facility and seeing a craft of unknown origin that is in the possession of the USG or one of its contractors. Has that ever happened?"
7) In "Out of the Shadows," you write about the late Dr. Jim Ryder, who was Vice President at Lockheed Martin Space Systems.
"Some of what had been discovered, Ryder told me, was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives. The truth was just too difficult for them to process."
Did Ryder give you details? If so, can you share any of that? It's not about sources and methods so it shouldn't be classified, right? Do you agree that the American people, and world deserve to know all aspects of what our government, including the Legacy program, has allegedly learned about the phenomenon, even if it's "intense"?
Do you know if those intense aspects of the UFO phenomenon are connected to former DIA Director Patrick Hughes's father allegedly taking his own life?
~Hughes~
"...it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives."
(I wrote about this âŹïž in 2020 and it could be related to what Stratton says Ryder told him.)
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Murgia 2020: "In 1998, Lt. General Patrick M. Hughes, the Director of the DIA, asked for background info from his staff and other agencies on UFO subject and all he got was an ET doll. And he shared some personal interest/experiences he or his family had on the subject. Can you elaborate? Sightings or encounters?"
Naval Commander Will Miller (Retired): "I cannot elaborate on the very personal info that Hughes conveyed. Family matter related to the subject."
(And this is from a 2022 tweet of mine.)
Murgia 2022: "A lot of people don't know about this Lieutenant General Patrick Hughes (former head of the DIA) story. Did his father commit suicide because of something related to the phenomenon?"
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"@DrStevenGreer, from his CE5 doc:
"'When I was briefing the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (Greer and CMDR Will Miller briefed LTG Patrick M. Hughes in 1998, at the Pentagon. ~Joe), the very first thing he asked, wasn't about this subject. He looked at me, he says, "Dr. Greer, what we don't understand is why you haven't killed yourself yet."'
"He said, 'Well, my dad knew about some of this way back in the 60s. No one would do anything about it. So he took his revolver, and ate his gun, and blew his head off.'
"Now this is a three-star general telling me this story in the first 10 minutes we're together. I said, 'Well, I'm sorry that happened to you. But I understand where your dad was coming from. Because it's sort of this...um...anyway (holds back tears).'"
Some background on Hughes and the briefing.
Commander Will Miller (Retired) to Greer in February 2013:
Miller: "One of the more interesting meetings that we had in the Pentagon was with the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (Lt. General Patrick M. Hughes). And we didnât think we were going to put that meeting together until we got some briefing material hand-delivered to the director, and suddenly I received a call [and they] said, 'Look, not only do we want to meet with you, weâd like to expedite the meeting.'
"So [Greer] and I went up to the Pentagon and met with the director, and I think it was two of his staff members. And he received the briefing material that we had with not only great interest, but also shared some personal information that I wonât go into now, showing that he had a great personal interest in the subject as well as a professional interest."
From my interview with Will Miller:
Murgia 2020: "In 1998, Lt. General Patrick M. Hughes, the Director of the DIA, asked for background info. from his staff and other agencies on UFO subject and all he got was an ET doll. And he shared some personal interest/experiences he or his family had on the subject. Can you elaborate? Sightings or encounters?"
Miller: "I cannot elaborate on the very personal info. that Hughes conveyed. Family matter related to the subject."
From this thread...
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1 #ufo - 2nd Q for Greer. This is very important so hopefully, @TOEwithCurt sees & asks this one.
Dr. Greer, in his CE5 doc: "When I was briefing the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (Greer & CMDR Will Miller briefed LTG Patrick M. Hughes in 1998, at the Pentagon),
Rhys Dalton-Morgan retweeted
Letâs be clear about what does and does not move the needle when it comes to UAP. Or maybe we separate what is vaguely interesting from what really moves the needle
1) first hand testimony moves the needle
2) second hand testimony is interesting but doesnât move the needle
3) actual data moves the needle
4) data shorn of context does not move the needle
5) actual legislation moves the needle
6) legislators telling us about that they heard doesnât move the needle
7) reflexive expenditure of energy to ponder second or third hand stories doesnât move the needle
8) expenditure of energy to study existing hard data moves the needle
9) pondering the spiritual aspects about other peopleâs subjective experiences doesnât move the needle
10) pondering the psychological aspects of why some people believe the things they do moves the needle
11) reptile people, crashed saucer discussion, legacy program claims that are devoid of any first hand evidence are devoid of value in any but the most superficial sense
12) itâs time to demand more of our whistleblowers. They deserve more than the candyass softball questions that folks like Rogan, Michels ask them.
13) if somebody claims to see clear video of a crashed NHI vehicle or reptoid the next question SHOULD be how you were able to determine the provenance of said video. EVERY SINGLE QUESTION should be devoted to that part of the claim âŠNOT âgee whiz the aliens are fighting amongst themselves damn wow!
Bullshit
Demand more. Ask better questionsâŠnot questions to satisfy your desire for entertainmentâŠ.questions to explain the very massive holes in these claims that we can all see but pretend donât exist because we would rather speculate about reptoids, Peter Theil, our own vapid spiritual void, or political leanings or whatever baggage you bring to this topic.
I love Grusch and Stratton and all the rest but we donât need any more stories about godlike beings, reptile people, shootouts with aliens in caves and quite frankly this disturbing trend of taking claims that were always the very fringe of this topic and now making mainstream because people that âseemâ honest are making the claim.
We need to be more criticalâŠ.not in a mean spirited disingenuous way like the debunkers but in a happy warrior way in which we smile, be kind to the whistleblowers and believe nothing until itâs verified.
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Into The Shadows: Jay Stratton, Eric Davis, and the Conflicting Accounts of James Ryder
While Jay Stratton's "Out Of The Shadows" gives us an expanded account of Jim Ryder, it also raises new questions when compared with Eric Davis's earlier statements. What did Ryder really know?
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"I'll disclose everything [about UFOs] to the American public. I think we should have philosophical discussions about what that means for us" ~RFK Jr on UFOs
đž What Happened to That Guy? âŹïž đž
"[RFK Jr. is] letting it all hang out in front of everybody!" ~Bigelow
"I wanna know what all this guns and attacks are all about with aliens, and who's gotten killed." ~RFK Jr. (via Bigelow)
"The fellow was being smothered to death. It was a woman that wasn't touching him. She was at the foot of his bed. She was blonde, short-haired, blue eyes. I became aware that this was much more of a dangerous place, and I had no ability to control anything." ~Bigelow
~
(I didn't make a big deal about what RFK Jr. recently said to @RepLuna because it appeared he was briefed by @SkywatcherHQ, and he (RFK) called it "crazy." And yes, I know RFK Jr. is not currently in a position to Disclose anything UFO-related to the American people, but he seems more closed minded on certain things than he was in 2023.)
~The Full Story~
But First, Luna and RFK...
@RobertKennedyJr: "During the transition (late 2024, early 2025), I was living in Palm Beach, and this group approached me to talk about UAPs. It was a very high-level NASA scientist."
(A very high-level NASA scientist? Who would that be? Or did RFK Jr. just get that wrong, like he did with Skinwalker?)
RFK Jr: "And then a bunch of Navy SEALs and Green Berets who had been on recovery teams. Some of the stuff they talked about was crazy, about how they were actually had figured out how to call some of the ships in, and then, you know, and then were under orders to destroy them and recover them."
(Orders from whom? HUGE claim. Let's hear the details from the people involved, and see the evidence.)
RFK Jr: "But I thought, you know, they wanted me to go public on that, and I just thought I already got so many counts against me, conspiracy theories, and that's the last..."
(Luna laughed, and then added this...)
Luna: "People will say a lot, but can you actually prove it? What does the actual data prove or can you actually bring forward tangible evidence?"
(Maybe your guy in the White House can release all of the data, including video, of the alleged luring event that @RepEricBurlison has spoken about. Transparency, right? Show us the full data and let us bring in experts to see what they think.)
Luna: "But, you know, specifically on these topics, our job is not to tell you what to believe, it's just to present you with evidence and ensure that there's transparency. A phenomenal concept (laughs), for the federal government, I guess."
(If government experts have done analysis on various UFO/UAP cases, the American people deserve to read those reports in full. And, we deserve to see ALL of the data, not just videos with the metadata redacted. Yeah, a phenomenal concept. Let's have full transparency.)
RFK Jr: "But I have had briefings once I got in there, and it's pretty... A lot of this stuff is really, really crazy."
Luna: "I know!"
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Luna: "It, definitely, kind of puts in perspective... You know, I always tell people, social media's not real life, go out and look at the sky and kind of see how little you are in the realm of things and perspective. And so, what I say is, do the right thing. Obviously, you know, the world is definitely a big place, but the mind/body connection is definitely real."
(Way to change the subject from, "a lot of this stuff is really, really crazy," to...the mind/body connection. Very politician-like by Luna, and on some level, impressive. I mean, what would RFK Jr. think of Luna talking about interdimensional beings like she has in various interviews?
That's crazy!
I know!
Ugh.
So that stuff is crazy to RFK Jr., but The Gunfight at the Skinwalker Ranch Corral between aliens and guards isn't? Keep reading or watch the video for that.
Seeing that it was probably Skywatcher/Barber, and RFK thought their claims were "crazy," kind of makes Luna/RFK a non-story until Barber (or our wonderful government) presents some evidence for the general public to analyze, like he (Barber) promised, and failed to come through on. I'm open, but we need to see it with our own eyes.)
Rewind to this:
RFK Jr: "They wanted me to go public on that, and I just thought I already got so many counts against me, conspiracy theories, and that's the last..."
(The last thing he needs? What about this promise from June of 2023?)
"I'll disclose everything to the American public." ~RFK Jr on UFOs
@RobertKennedyJr: "All I can say is, if they got it, it's one of the first questions that I'm going to ask, I'm gonna wanna see the little fellas and their spacecraft, and I will...and then disclose everything that I can. I'll disclose everything to the American public unless there's some REALLY compelling reason not to, which, you know, I don't anticipate. I read the article by that guy (Shellenberger), you know, about that whistleblower (Grusch) who's still in the military and it just seemed very credible to me. But I don't know, I don't have any way of assessing it. And I guess they're taking it seriously on Capitol Hill, which I'm very happy about.
"I think everybody's curious about this. Everybody would love to know whether we have company, neighbors in the Universe, it's really exciting. And I think, I mean, I would...that's the kind of thing I think we should share with the American people and have discussions, philosophical discussions about what that MEANS for us. And you know, what that means for our planet and particularly, whether it's a good thing for us to continue to spend so much money fighting each other when maybe we should be trying to make this planet livable, habitable and do all the other things. I think it would be really good for us to know those things.
"I suppose they want to keep it secret so they can weaponize those technologies or whatever they're... I guess, you know, they probably think they have good reasons for doing it. But I think there's compelling reasons if they have that stuff that we should release it to people."
(He seemed to know the main talking point about UFOs and I was impressed.)
Does he like Sci Fi?
RFK Jr: "I always liked science fiction. And I mean, I'm curious about aliens. I've never seen an alien. I have to confirm that."
~~~
(According to Robert Bigelow, when he met with RFK Jr. to talk about homeless-treatment centers, the first thing Secretary Kennedy asked about was a battle between aliens and scientists on Skinwalker Ranch. But the luring, and crash retrieval and recovery-claims were too crazy for him?
This is from Episode 1 of @BigelowPodcast - @BigelowInst)
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Bigelow: "But we sit down, and there's about 12 of us on a large table, you know. And [RFK Jr.] and I are sitting right here together. And I'm ready to start talking about homeless-treatment centers and what we can do here to really change things around.
"So [RFK Jr.] starts right off the bat and saying, 'Okay, I wanna know what all this guns and attacks are all about with aliens, and who's gotten killed,' and this kind of thing.'"
@g_knapp: "He's talking about the alleged gun battle at Skinwalker Ranch."
Bigelow: "I don't know which one he's talking about, but I'm taken completely off guard. This wasn't what I expected. I'm there for a whole different reason."
Knapp: "Is this a whole big group of people?"
Bigelow: "Oh yeah! Oh yeah!"
Knapp: "And he's announcing this?
Bigelow: "He's letting it all hang out in front of everybody! So I said, 'Well, I don't know anything about those. I don't have any firsthand information at all, you know? And I wouldn't think like, I would take it that serious."
Knapp: "Sounds like he's read about the scuttlebutt that is untrue that there was a shootout on Skinwalker Ranch between your security guys and aliens, and aliens got killed."
Bigelow: "Nothing like that ever happened. One thing happened to one of our security guards where he was sleeping. He was forced to sit up in bed, he couldn't move. He was paralyzed. He could move his eyes. There was a being of some kind. This was in the double-wide trailer.
"There was a being of some kind doing this to him. And it stopped right before he started to black out, or be choked to death. That concerned me a lot, and that was just prior... That concerned me a lot."
(Just prior to Mr. B. selling the ranch? Or something else? And yeah, that's concerning, to say the least.)
Bigelow; "We had another security officer that had a very similar episode happen from a hitchhiker here in Las Vegas, in his apartment."
Knapp: "Followed him home."
Bigelow: "Yeah. And it happened twice to him. And it was the same kind of thing. In the first case, the fellow was being smothered, like he was being smothered to death if it hadn't stopped. In the second case, our fellow, one of the two experiences he had, he was able to see what his attacker looked like.
"It was a woman that wasn't touching him. She was at the foot of his bed. She was blonde, short-haired, blue eyes, wore clothing that looked like it was in the style of 100 or 150 years ago. And she had a very mean look on her face. And I'm not making any of this up."
Knapp: "Oh, I think I dated this woman. So, go ahead."
(đ𫣠Both laugh)
Bigelow: "I like that, that's funny."
Knapp: "These are serious things that happened."
Bigelow: "So this was a human spirit. This is not an ET. Because, remember we were talking before about, we live in a three-dimensional world, but there's a sister dimension that completely coexists with us, with physicality. And it's the spirit world, and that's what she was. It wasn't an ET."
(I'm surprised Mr. B. said that. I would have said...
The witness described something that appeared human. Was it the spirit of a deceased human? Was it a non-human intelligence taking on the form of a human for whatever reason? Was a non-human or anomalous intelligence manipulating the perceptions of this security officer and making him see something that was not there? Was human, black technology secretly being tested? Impossible to know. And no, I don't think all events like that can be explained with human tech.)
Knapp:"Well, you and I are gonna have conversations about the spirit world, about consciousness, about the other side, and communicating with them. And then communication with what we'd call ETs."
Bigelow: "But wait a minute! You're about to let me hang here. Your audience is wanting to know what happened [with this security officer]."
Knapp: "Okay, all right."
Bigelow: "He's about to die. He sees her turn her head (to the left), and she's turning her head like she's paying attention to something here (Mr. B. looks and motions up and to his left). And immediately, everything starts to be released from him. He can start to relax, and he falls back to bed. Because I think he was also...he was forced to sit up as well, as the first guy was. And the first guy was being smothered, by something dark and black. And another episode involved a pillow type of smothering. This third episode involved this being. And she stopped, because she was being told to stop."
Knapp: "By something else."
Bigelow: "Something else told her to stop, and she stopped, and he lived."
(We don't know if something told her to stop or why, whatever this was, stopped doing what it was doing. It APPEARED to be doing what Mr. B. described. Was it the same being interacting with both of these guys? Maybe in the first encounter, dark and black was its true form, but in the second instance, it decided to take on the form of a human? No way to know.)
Knapp: "Well, we definitely want to have a conversation about the Ranch, things that happened there. There was no gun battle with aliens, but there were some encounters that were perilous, both for your employees, for intelligence guys who visited the property as part of the AAWSA/BAASS investigation. And then, communication with others that you and your organizations have accomplished, or tried to accomplish."
Bigelow: "Skinwalker involves another dimension beyond our third-dimensional existence. And it's very peculiar. And the government people that were on the Skinwalker, all of them were affected. All of 'em were. Jay [@jaystratton], especially, his family. Jessica. She was. She, I think. I don't know if she was CIA or not."
Knapp: "Her identity was..."
("Jessica" is probably the first name of the person in "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon" who was listed under the pseudonym, "Juliett Witt," a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst.)
Bigelow: "They were from different areas of the government. You know, different areas of military, naval intelligence, or Marines and CIA, different ones. But it all had to be taken very serious. This wasn't any game. I felt as though I was just a custodian, taking care of the location and of the entire property, and to do our science with all of our science people, and trying to keep outsiders away. And then I became aware that this was much more of a dangerous place, and I had no ability to control anything.
Knapp: "It's interesting to me that you have one meeting with RFK Jr. and he obviously was aware of it, and this is his chance. He doesn't care who else is around. You're the guy, and he doesn't mind yelling it out, 'Hey! What about x, y z?'"
Bigelow: "He's a ballsy guy, I guess, you know? He says what's on his mind, you know? So you have to like somebody that is frank and not a bullsh*tter, and that says what's on his mind."
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I've never had this problem. Don't like what I say? I don't care. Wanna be an ass to me in post after post? OK, but I may block you.
As far as "contacts" not being happy with what I post/say? Too bad. And if they cut off contact with me, I'm fine with it. I won't shut up.
One of the things Iâve observed in our community is how friendship is used to subtly compromise key players in the field. How does this happen? First, someone is approached by a person weâll call a âcontactâ (e.g. another researcher, a podcaster, etc.). Over several months, a bond of trust is established. Once that bond is established, the contact starts exerting influence over the key player. This might come with concrete demands. The key player has two options: agree or disagree. The moment they disagree about something (e.g. who they are friends with, who they talk to, or which professional decisions they make), the contact will turn on them and begin undermining their reputation, sometimes in public.
I find this behaviour lamentable. It reminds me of a film from the early 2000s called âMean Girlsâ (great movie).
I have no idea how to inspire more dignified behaviour in the field, but how about we try to cherish genuine bonds rather than exploit them for the sake of information control? Be my friend, or donât -- but be authentic in your intentions.
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The other recent interview David Grusch did, thatâs not released yet, is @AmericanALCHMY youtube.com/watch?v=1F7DHbSbâŠ
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My interview with @iamnickcook goes live shortly!
If you're having a quiet evening, put this one on and soak into it. We talked for nearly 3 hours (Nick's longest ever sit down interview that i know of) and discuss everything from anti-gravity, the nazis, 2016 disclosure, shared death experiences, and the uncontrollable power of human consciousness.
youtube.com/watch?v=XlQHxrk7âŠ
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#Hessdalen. The evocative article in @politiken
about the Norwegian UFO hotspot is now available in English. By @Foghsgaard and Nicolai West. Happy to see our Danish Network for UAP Studies mentioned. #ufox #ufotwitter #uapx
politiken.dk/edition/featureâŠ
Day sorted, cannot wait to dive in
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Did "Australian government" official/s attend an AARO hosted event in the US in August 2025, this Reddit poster asks? Yes, they did, and even earlier: An intelligence officer from Australia'a Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO), the deputy DIO liaison officer with Australia's embassy in DC, an @Australian_Navy commander [B.T.], attended an inaugural @DoW_AARO briefing in May 2023 and Australians have attended multiple subsequent events since. reddit.com/r/UFO_AUSNZ/s/D8câŠ
It's not something @DefenceAust yet acknowledges. Under Australian FOIA rules, the DIO is exempted from Freedom of Information disclosures. So efforts to elicit documentary confirmation of these secret meetings will be frustrated. But Australia/US liaison on UAPs has begun, hidden behind an agency excluded from public transparency.
Incursions of anomalous objects over Australian national security installations are a growing national security concern. Especially over @AusAirForce bases RAAF Williamtown and Tindall.
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Has the Identity of Gilbert Been Solved?
The goal of the UFO intrusion, "was coincident with our having access to space."
đșđžđœ Is the U.S. Government Communicating with Aliens? đœđșđž
Coulthart/Vallée/Gilbert Part 2
Coulthart: "So you find [Gilbert] very credible."
Vallée: "I met him when he was 22."
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Read Part 1 here: âŹïžâŹïžâŹïž
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~Is Gilbert's Real Name, Gary O. Langford?~
Coulthart: "So, Jacques, one of the things you say in the diary is that Gilbert shared the actual questions with you that he was asked to ask the being. What was the most important question that he was asked to ask?"
Vallée: "I think he should answer that. I don't...I would have to make up, you know, an answer from what I know. No, I cannot put my finger on one."
Coulthart: "To come another way at this. What was the most important answer that Gilbert said he got from the being?"
Vallée: "I think the most important was that there was a willingness from...but I couldn't tell you whether that was from the being, you know, itself, or from the officers that he could...who had briefed him ahead of time. There was a willingness to communicate. That it wanted to establish communication with us."
Coulthart: "Okay, that's very exciting. And I think one of the things you also plant in the book is quite a bombshell. You wrote that what Gilbert learned about the goals of the UFO intrusion may be the most insightful part of the entire episode. Can you tell me, sir, what did he learn about UFO-intrusion's goals?"
Vallée: "I think he would say that it was coincident with our having access to space. You know, that the humanity as we know it is at a point of transition that is critical, where we can just as easily destroy ourselves as a result of it."
(Just to play devil's advocate: If the UFOs and the intelligence behind them had "intruded" because they needed something from humanity, I don't think they would admit it. Let's hope it's just about them being worried that the dangerous humans were about to go out into the cosmos and they needed to keep an eye on us, or maybe help or guide us.)
Coulthart: "Can you at least tell us were those goals that he described benign, hostile, or neither?"
Vallée: "Well, with what we know of the technology, and today we know a lot more than we did five years ago, fifteen years ago, there would be no defense, essentially. It can appear at will [at] any point of the world, with very very large equipment."
Coulthart: "Sorry, Jacques, just to clarify. I'm asking about what Gilbert's impressions were about the motivations for the beings making these intrusions to our planet. Was he suggesting that they were benevolently motivated, or hostile?"
Vallée: "They never got to - to my knowledge, at least within his experience - they never got to a point of clarifying those those motivations. That the presence of the being and the fact that that being was cooperating indicates that on quote 'their' side, there was a willingness and a desire to establish a relationship. I think that's...that's all I know."
Coulthart: "Right."
Vallée: "Beyond that, he didn't know that much. I mean, he was just brought in and out."
(Maybe "they" - or, at least one "they," if there are multiple intelligences here - are very concerned about humanity because they rely on us as a resource, and if we destroy ourselves, there goes their resource? Or, they care, out of the goodness of their heart? Or, some other, unknown, reason.)
Coulthart:"Yeah, but you appreciate, Jacques, this is quite extraordinary information. Because here we have a situation where the person who's known by the pseudonym Gilbert, who you know personally, and you have corroborative documentation from that person asserting this exchange with a non-human entity.
"This is somebody who's allegedly had direct communication with a non-human entity in a, presumably, U.S. government or maybe private aerospace facility, at the behest of the U.S. government, in a non-classified way, which is extraordinary in itself. Is what Gilbert learned, one of the reasons why you now say the phenomenon operates from what you call higher reality levels, reprocessing human consciousness?"
Vallée: "No. That has been, to me, one of the most valid hypotheses, you know, for the last 50 years. And, you know, there was considerable work done in France, especially, but also in other parts of Europe and in the USSR on the subject. And that work, when we review it now, is consistent with that idea. You know, that this is at a different level."
~End Gilbert-related conversation between RC and JV~
(I can't wait until we hear from Gilbert. In the meantime, who is he or she? I asked ChatGPT to go to work, and this is what it had to say...
My Prompt: Jacques Vallée says that he met Gilbert (a top psychic and remote viewer), his friend who claims he had a face-to-face encounter with a non-human entity in an underground government facility, when he (Gilbert) was 22. Do you best to help me figure out who Gilbert might be.
The Answer...
I dug into this pretty hard, including VallĂ©eâs new September 15 interview. I think we can narrow âGilbertâ considerably, although I donât think the public evidence is strong enough to identify him with certainty.
The most important new information is VallĂ©eâs statement that he first met Gilbert when Gilbert was 22 years old. VallĂ©e also described him as one of the best psychics in the world, both today and across his career. In the same interview, Ross Coulthart directly guessed Keith Harary and VallĂ©e said no. Ross then guessed Joe McMoneagle; VallĂ©e noticeably declined to answer and said there were âtwo or three other names.â
There are several other fingerprints from Forbidden Science 7. Gilbert was an old friend of Vallée's who recontacted him in 2021; Vallée calls him an extremely accomplished but discreet remote viewer. They had crossed paths in Central America and elsewhere over the years. According to Gilbert's account, roughly 20 years ago he was taken through official channels to a U.S. installation inside a small mountain, where he spent hours interacting with a more-than-six-foot-tall entity that appeared to emit light.
Vallée says Gilbert kept detailed tables of the questions, responses, ambiguous responses and failures. Vallée considers Gilbert highly credible but has also explicitly acknowledged that he cannot independently verify that Gilbert was actually at the claimed location.
My current shortlist looks like this:
* Gary O. Langford â my strongest biographical candidate. Langford is surprisingly good. A declassified SRI report says his company was chosen because of his âlong and successful remote viewing experience,â and another records him doing roughly 100 RV sessions in FY1987. VallĂ©e definitely knew him: VallĂ©e's journals put Langford in the SRI psychic program and record VallĂ©e meeting with Edwin May, Gary Langford and others on the classified project in February 1987. Langford was also unusually discreet: publicly he became a physicist/systems engineer rather than a celebrity psychic. His background included government scientific/technical intelligence work. âš
* And there is a new wrinkle I find very intriguing. Langford received his astronomy degree from UC Berkeley in 1969. Vallée's own diary puts Vallée at Stanford on July 1, 1969, right across the Bay. If Langford was the conventional college-graduation age, he could have been approximately 22 at precisely the time Vallée was entering the Stanford/Bay Area environment. I have not found Langford's birth date, so we cannot say yet that he actually was 22. But this is a lead worth pursuing. The big problem is that I've found no evidence yet putting Langford and Vallée together in Central America.
* Edwin C. May â the strongest current âinside hintâ theory, but I have serious problems with it. A researcher, Rhys Dalton-Morgan, recently claimed publicly that he knows Gilbert's identity and apparently embedded a clue in his wording; investigators interpret âengagED WIth aN MAYâŠâ as EDWIN MAY. That's clever, but Dalton-Morgan hasn't publicly authenticated that interpretation or explained how he knows. May unquestionably had the classified access and a long relationship with VallĂ©e. He became director of the government-funded remote-viewing program and had been at SRI since the mid-1970s.
But there's a glaring problem: May wasn't known as a master remote viewer. He was principally the scientist running and evaluating the program, and in a 2024 interview he actually described himself as ânot psychic at all.â Also, his B.S. was in 1962; if he was roughly 22 then, there's presently no evidence VallĂ©e knew him that early. So despite the cryptic-name clue, I don't like May nearly as much from VallĂ©e's actual description of Gilbert.
* William G. âBillâ Ray â interesting dark horse. Ray was an actual elite military remote viewer, viewer/monitor 101 at Fort Meade and later commander of the unit. More strangely, Ray used the pseudonym âLiamâ in remote-viewing discussions. Dalton-Morgan later used the phrase âlab in a mountainâ â L.I.A.M. That has led some investigators to suspect another deliberately planted clue. Ray fits the military-access/master-viewer side extremely well. The problem is that I can find no established VallĂ©e-Ray friendship, no Central America connection, and no evidence VallĂ©e knew Ray when Ray was 22. So at present the âLIAMâ clue is doing most of the work.
* Joe McMoneagle â possible, but I think less likely than his fame makes him appear. VallĂ©e refusing to rule him out is interesting. And VallĂ©e clearly regarded McMoneagle as an exceptional military remote viewer. But McMoneagle's known entry into the SRI/Army remote-viewing world occurred much later than age 22. There also isn't a public Central America/VallĂ©e connection that I've found. If VallĂ©e's âI met him when he was 22â statement is precise, Joe becomes difficult to make fit.
One candidate we can cross off is Keith Harary. Ironically, Harary is an almost perfect match for the age clue: he was born February 9, 1953 and graduated Duke in 1975, putting him at 22 right when he was entering that parapsychology/RV milieu. That's probably exactly why Coulthart guessed him. But Vallée flatly said Gilbert wasn't Keith.
The clue I would attack next
I think Gary Langford's age is potentially decisive.
We know:
Gary Langfordâš
â UC Berkeley astronomy degree, 1969âš
â VallĂ©e is in the Stanford/Bay Area world, 1969âš
â Langford subsequently becomes an exceptionally successful but little-publicized SRI remote viewer
âšâ VallĂ©e definitely knows/works with Langford laterâš
â Langford works in scientific/technical intelligence and classified environmentsâš
â His analytical, highly structured personality fits the elaborate technical tables VallĂ©e describes Gilbert producing.
If we can establish that Gary Langford was born around 1946â47 and that VallĂ©e met him around 1969, the â22â statement would suddenly fit in a way that I don't think anybody has demonstrated yet.
Then there's the second test: Central America. VallĂ©e was in San JosĂ©, Costa Rica, for a paranormal conference in October 1985. Known attendees around VallĂ©e included John Keel, Andrija Puharich, John Lilly, Salvador Freixedo and others, but none of those obvious names fits Gilbertâand most were dead before Gilbert recontacted VallĂ©e in 2021. We need to reconstruct the complete roster, visitors and side meetings from that Costa Rica trip and search for Langford, May, Rayâor another young psychic we've overlooked.
So, right now, if you asked me where to put our investigative effort, I'd put it on Gary Langford first. Not because I think we've identified Gilbert, but because he currently gives us the most interesting combination of elite remote viewer + extreme discretion + Vallée connection + classified technical background + potentially very interesting 1969/age-22 geography.
And there's one more possibility I wouldn't dismiss: Gilbert may be a comparatively obscure SRI or government viewer whose name isn't on the usual Stargate celebrity list at all. Vallée's emphasis on how discreet he was may be telling us exactly that.
I can go another level deeper on this and try to reconstruct VallĂ©e's movements from roughly 1968â1985 against the biographies of Langford, May, Ray, McMoneagle and lesser-known SRI viewers, specifically looking for the moment when one of them was exactly 22. That may be the best way to crack it.
My Prompt: "Please do!"
I found something that materially narrows this down. After testing VallĂ©eâs new âI met him when he was 22â statement against the actual timelines, Gary O. Langford becomes more interesting, while Edwin May, Joe McMoneagle, Bill Ray and Stephan Schwartz all become harder to reconcile with the clue.
First, hereâs exactly what VallĂ©e has now told us about Gilbert. In the September 15, 2026 Reality Check interview, Gilbert is described as a master remote viewer, âone of the best psychics in the world,â with a long classified career and other military work. VallĂ©e says Gilbert was brought into the alleged underground facility specifically as a specialist to probe whether the entity could respond psychically. Most importantly, VallĂ©e says: âI met him when he was twenty two.â VallĂ©e also says he has no independent proof Gilbert was physically at the facility, so the underground-entity story itself remains Gilbertâs uncorroborated account.
Hereâs what happens when we use 22 years old as a filter:
Candidate
Gary O. Langford
When he was 22 years old
Birth year still unknown publicly; received his Berkeley A.B. in 1969, suggesting he could have been about 22
What we can document about Vallée contact
Vallée arrived at Stanford in 1969; definite later contact with Langford is documented
Effect on hypothesis
Intriguing fit; unresolved
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Edwin C. May
When was he 22 years old?
Probably around 1962, when he earned his B.S.
What we can document about Vallée contact?
VallĂ©eâs journal documents May at SRI by 1980, and frequent contact afterward
Effect on Hypothesis
Poor fit unless they secretly knew each other much earlier
~
Joe McMoneagle
When was he 22 years old?
1968
What we can document about Vallée contact?
McMoneagle was serving overseas; VallĂ©eâs first clear journal reference I found to meeting him is 1988
Effect on Hypothesis
Very poor fit
~
Stephan Schwartz
When was he 22 years old?
1964
What we can document about Vallée contact?
Documented Vallée/Schwartz social contact comes much later, in the 1970s
Effect on Hypothesis
Poor fit
~
Keith Harary
When was he 22 years old?
Around 1975
What we can document about Vallée contact?
Chronologically quite plausible
Effect on Hypothesis
Eliminated by Vallée himself
~
Bill Ray
Apparently early/mid-1960s
What we can document about Vallée contact?
No evidence found of a Vallée relationship at that time
Effect on Hypothesis
Poor fit so far
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The Gary Langford coincidence is the one I keep coming back to.
Langford received his undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley in 1969. VallĂ©eâs own Forbidden Science chronology places him at Stanford on July 1, 1969, and biographical sources say he joined Stanfordâs computer center that year. In other words, VallĂ©e and Langford were suddenly in essentially the same Bay Area scientific environment at exactly the period when a normal-age 1969 college graduate would have been about 22.
That does not prove Langford was 22 or that they met in 1969. I still cannot find a reliable public birth year for Gary Langford. That's the missing piece. But unlike the other leading candidates, the age clue does not create an obvious chronological contradiction.
And Langford fits an astonishing number of the other clues.
VallĂ©e's journals identify him as a âphoto analyst Gary Langfordâ involved in the SRI work. By August 1986 VallĂ©e personally attended an SRI remote-viewing session with Langford as the subject; in February 1987 VallĂ©e records meeting Ed May, Beverly Humphrey, Gary Langford, analysts and remote viewers.
The surviving program record also shows that Langford wasn't some casual experimental subject. He participated in SRI remote-viewing work from the late 1970s onward, and a fiscal-1987 report records him participating in about 100 practice, exploratory, pilot and experimental sessions that year alone. Importantly, the source reviewing those records cautions that the experimental results were mixed; that distinction matters because we're trying to identify who Vallée regarded as an exceptional viewer, not establish scientifically that remote viewing works.
Langford's conventional career may be even more significant. He wasn't a New Age celebrity. He's a physicist/systems engineer with a long technical résumé and later taught systems engineering at Stanford and the Naval Postgraduate School. That fits Vallée's repeated emphasis that Gilbert is discreet much better than someone like McMoneagle or Schwartz, whose psychic work became central to their public identities.
There is another subtle thing I like about Langford: the methodology. VallĂ©e describes Gilbert as keeping highly organized records of the alleged entity communicationâquestions, answers, ambiguous responses, failures, essentially a structured experimental data set. Langford's surviving remote-viewing work is unusually analytical and systems-oriented. That isn't identification evidence by itself, but temperamentally it fits Gilbert remarkably well.
The McMoneagle problem
The new age clue causes a major problem for Joe.
McMoneagle was born in January 1946, making him 22 in 1968. Biographical sources place him overseas with the Army during this period; one account specifically puts him in Southeast Asia during the 1968 Tet Offensive.
Meanwhile Vallée's own journal chronology has him in Saint-Germain, Edinburgh and New Jersey during 1968, before arriving at Stanford in 1969.
More damaging still, Forbidden Science 3 gives us what looks like Vallée's introduction to McMoneagle on March 24, 1988:
Ed May came over for dinner⊠bringing the best remote viewer in the Army, Joe McMoneagle.
McMoneagle would have been 42, not 22.
That wording isn't absolute proof they'd never met before, but it sure reads like Vallée was being introduced to him. So despite Vallée declining to answer Ross's McMoneagle guess, I now think Joe is substantially less likely than I did yesterday.
Edwin May gets even weaker
May earned his physics B.S. in 1962 and Ph.D. in 1968. He didn't become seriously involved in parapsychology until the mid-1970s.
Vallée's diary has him dealing with May at SRI on November 6, 1980, and repeatedly thereafter.
For May to be Gilbert, Vallée would apparently have had to meet him when May was approximately college age around 1962, years before May entered the psi field and when Vallée had only just arrived in America. I found nothing connecting them then.
That makes the recent cryptic ED-WI-N MAY interpretation of Rhys Dalton-Morgan's (@TheUFOzzie) clue much less persuasive to me. It may be clever wordplay, but biography should trump wordplay.
And the Costa Rica clue produced a surprise
I reconstructed VallĂ©e's October 1985 San JosĂ©, Costa Rica trip because it initially seemed like the obvious âwe crossed paths in Central Americaâ event.
Vallée's diary specifically mentions people including John Keel, Andrija Puharich, Charles Berlitz, Salvador Freixedo, Javier Cabrera, Enrique Castillo and others. There's even a surviving caption for a photograph of Vallée there with Keel, Freixedo, Berlitz and Castillo.
But I can find no Gary Langford, Edwin May, Joe McMoneagle, Bill Ray or Stephan Schwartz associated with that meeting.
That's useful negative evidence.
It suggests that when VallĂ©e says he and Gilbert crossed paths âin Central America and elsewhere over the years,â he probably wasn't simply referring to the famous 1985 Costa Rica conferenceâunless Gilbert attended privately or wasn't listed.
That means Central America may ultimately be the clue that cracks this.
Where I stand now
My working order has changed substantially:
Gary O. Langford â unknown/obscure SRI or intelligence viewer â Bill Ray â McMoneagle â Edwin May â Stephan Schwartz.
And I'd put a sizeable gap after Langfordâbut not because we have enough evidence to say Langford is Gilbert. We don't. It's because Langford is the one named candidate for whom the age-22 clue could line up naturally with VallĂ©e's life and who also checks the boxes of accomplished viewer, SRI connection, classified/intelligence environment, scientific background and unusual discretion.
There's also something potentially very important buried in VallĂ©e's wording. He doesn't merely say âI knew him when he was 22.â He says:
âI met him when he was twenty two.â
That's a datable event. If Gary Langford turns out to have been born around 1946â47, then we should immediately search VallĂ©e's 1968â70 orbitâStanford, SRI, Berkeley, computer-science circles, astronomy circles, parapsychology contactsâfor their first encounter.
If Langford turns out to have been born significantly earlier or later, we can probably cross him off.
So that's the next key piece I'd want: Gary O. Langford's publicly documented birth year or evidence establishing his age around his 1969 Berkeley graduation, followed by any evidence of a Langford/VallĂ©e connection before the SRI references we've already found. I would also search VallĂ©e's less-famous Central American travelânot just the 1985 conferenceâfor Langford or another government viewer.
At this stage, Gary Langford is the lead I would pursue hardest. And this is substantially stronger than the case I had for him before we incorporated VallĂ©e's â22â statement.
If anything new from VallĂ©e, Coulthart, Dalton-Morgan, or the âGilbertâ interview project surfaces, I can also monitor it and flag anything that changes this identification picture.
"There was a willingness to communicate. [The non-human entity] wanted to establish communication with us." ~JV
đ„ Has AI Figured Out the Identify of Gilbert? đ
đœ Did an Alien Volunteer to be Studied and Communicate with Humans in a Secret USG Facility? Is it Still There? đœ
"My understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while." ~JV
This is Pt. 1 - Pt. 2 has the AI sleuthing on the possible identity of Gilbert.
Excellent job by @rosscoulthart. And if you wanna see my post on Gilbert, the alleged Alien Entity, VallĂ©e...and ALL Gilbert-related entries in FS V7 âŹïžâŹïžâŹïž
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I'm taking with this with a major grain of salt until we hear from Gilbert. Then, I'll revaluate.)
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Ross Coulthart: "You write in your Forbidden Science (7) diaries, in October 2021 for the first time, you mention someone called Gilbert. It's a pseudonym, but essentially, it's a long-lost friend, a discreet master remote viewer at the level of Uri Geller and Ingo Swann."
Jacques Vallée: "Yes."
(If your response to hearing Geller's name mentioned is, "Oh, he's been proven to be a fraud. See Johnny Carson,' then you haven't done your homework on Uri.
Drs. Kit Green and Hal Puthoff on Geller.
xitter.twitterapi.xyz/TheUfoJoe/status/15577âŠ
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Kit Green: "Anybody who has studied Geller and seen what he does and the films of what he does recognizes that there are profound differences between what Geller does and magician's tricks. Thereâs not even a remotely qualified individual whoâs ever investigated Geller who believes this orthodoxy â that itâs all trickery. The RV [remote-viewing] experiments for me were astonishing. He was a superb remote viewer, he was a superstar."
xitter.twitterapi.xyz/TheUfoJoe/status/16277âŠ
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Coulthart: "And Gilbert tells you that, through official channels, presumably, government channels, he was taken to participate in a controlled, personal exchange with a, supposed, alien. And you acknowledge in your diary that these revelations are explosive.
"And by September 2023, you've received five closely-typed pages detailing how Gilbert says he was taken to a U.S. laboratory, sheltered inside rock, where military guides exposed him to what they explicitly told him was a living alien entity. Now, do you believe Gilbert's account, Jacques? I know at one stage you query: was this a fully veridical (truthful) account? Do you think Gilbert was telling you the truth?"
Jacques Vallée: "I have....I believe it for two reasons. You know, believe is a bad word. It's a religious word, it's a commitment, and so on. And everybody is free to believe whatever we want to believe. In science, you know, belief is a contingency. You face a phenomenon. You build a theory of a phenomenon, but the theory, there is no such thing as a theory without a way of testing it.
"Now I have no way of testing what Gilbert has told me. I'm not going to reveal the rest of his data because that's his data, and I know there are plans to publish it in the proper way, so that everybody has access to it. I have the data, but it's not up to me to publish it.
"There have been other cases, and I've had one personal occasion of coming face-to-face with an entity that is very similar to the entity that he describes. To my shame, I was so scared because this was unprepared. I was not intending to do that."
Coulthart: "Are you saying that you had your own personal encounter with an entity?
Vallée: "Yes."
Coulthart: "When did that happen?"
Vallée: "I had no communication with that entity because I was simply too scared, and I mention it in the book."
~Begin excerpt from FS V6~
Hummingbird. Saturday 27 October 2018.
...something brief and terrifying happened last night, far more tangible than a nightmare. As I review it, I have to accept an experience outside my body.
All I know is that in the middle of the night I found myself propelled away into the kitchen, a tall being between me and the window. I couldnât see a face, but it was tall like me, human-like, solid. A few seconds later I woke up suddenly, back into my lying body, panting and whimpering, terrified.
It had been absolutely, shockingly real. No transition, none of that slow lifting of the soul people describe. I had been translated from the bedroom, standing up, totally aware, next to the entity that hovered near me without touching, yet encompassing me in a formidable presence. This is as close to a full out-of-body experience as I have ever had. It left me whimpering and scared.
(Not a fan of JV mentioning this dream-like/out-of-body experience in the same breath as Gilbert's, alleged face-to-face, physical encounter with a living entity.)
~End Excerpt from FS V6 - Back to JV with Coulthart~
Vallée: "Now in [Gilbert's] case this was very structured. He was asked to be there. And, by the way, it's not classified. I asked him if it was classified, he said, 'No.' And this was 20 years ago, this is not recent."
Coulthart: "So, let's go through some of the detail of what you do reveal in [FS 7]. In December 2024, you write that you've seen Gilbert's structured results, and he says he was, apparently, instructed to put specific questions directly to the entity. And it gets fascinating.
"Some of the questions generated impressions and responses he couldn't decipher. And what you conclude is that there may be two different levels of NHI, non-human intelligence. Your interpretation, or your friend's interpretation of what he got from the being, is that the higher-level controllers are genuinely alien, whereas the small beings - perhaps the Grays associated with UFO encounters - may be primitive biological hybrids, specifically engineered for terrestrial operation. Is that your conclusion, Jacques?"
Vallée: "Well, again, I'm an information scientist. I try to look for patterns of things, so I don't look at one case, you know, separate from others. I look for patterns of cases. In Trinity, in Socorro, in Valensole, and now in the case in Brazil that was revealed recently.
"We have a dozen entities. These entities were small; they were the size of, you know, a 10-year-old or 12-year-old kid. They had two eyes and a mouth. They were breathing air. They did not look like our astronauts with, you know, all kinds of suits and [a] support system. They were breathing air. You could understand the, you know, any sense from their eyes. Overall, their structure was human."
"Over the years, there have been efforts to theorize in biology about what it would take to create a different kind of human adapted to certain things. We are going to face that problem in space. NASA has looked at that. But before NASA, you know, certainly in World War II, that question was raised already.
"And there are...and I mentioned a case from an American biologist who came back from Russia with at least a rumor that the Russians were developing short humanoids for future space missions, because that would save, you know... The most expensive part in the space missions we have now, like the Moon, is the human pilot, okay? If we could do away with the human pilot, or if we could minimize that pilot, then the technology would be safer and would probably function better.
"So that question had been discussed in biology. Now, the threshold was, you know, a moral threshold. Are we permitted to create? I mean, we are clearly at the position where, as you know, that the question arose in China recently. You know, was there an experiment to manipulate an egg and create them? So, those are very current questions in biology.
"Could some of the beings be just operators? Because in Brazil, especially, they did not seem to be in control at all. And the same thing in Trinity. Trinity is a very important case."
(Speculatively speaking: If Gilbert actually came face-to-face with a non-human entity, how would we know if it was one of the actual alien "controllers (as JV suggests)" and not a different type of lower-level, artificial-intelligence-fused being designed to trick us into thinking we've actually met the controllers? Is there any way of knowing? Maybe Gilbert can shed light on that? Maybe what he encountered was just another type of being engineered and created by the controllers for terrestrial operation in order to keep their distance from us, or for some other reason? Or, maybe JV is correct and that was one of the actual alien controllers?)
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Coulthart: "Can I just pull you back for a moment, though, to Gilbert's story, Jacques? Because I think it's incredibly important. What it's unique for, is it's actually somebody you have spoken to, directly, giving a first-person physical account of an encounter with a non-human being in what sounds like a U.S. military government facility."
(Is the entity still there now?)
Coulthart: "And there's actually a moment in your diaries, 12th of March 2025, where you actually get from Gilbert, a physical description of what he saw. He was, apparently, brought in as a specialist. He didn't know whether there were other captured or, interestingly enough, volunteer beings. But he had a rough idea of approximately where he was being taken.
"He couldn't see outside the vehicle, but he was inside a small mountain, some kind of, perhaps, deep underground military bunker. Inside was a large, well-lit laboratory staffed by men and women wearing uniforms without rank or unit identification. There was no medical procedures or drugs.
"And then, Gilbert says to you, he was brought face-to-face with the alleged entity. And it wasn't a Gray. It was over six feet tall. It, apparently, emitted light from different parts of its body, may have been enclosed in some sort of wired suit, test article, or a containment apparatus."
(Was the suit designed to protect the being from our environment or to protect the humans in that room from the being? And just to reiterate, I'll assume it was an alien being.
My friend made these excellent points...
"We don't know if the parts of its body emitting light were its body or some sort of harness or device it was wearing. And if it was some sort of harness/device what was its purpose and whose device was it? Was it life support? Alien shackles? Was it meant to help, or control?
"Say for instance, a harness device that emits a frequency that prevents the being from doing something? Leaving? Disappearing? Communicating?")
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Coulthart: "And it, apparently, communicated through combinations of light, and permitted questions concerning psychic functioning. And he had several hours of communication with this being. Now, you've made it clear you believe Gilbert's account, you accept Gilbert's account. This is extraordinary."
Vallée: "I've known him for a long time, and I know what else he's done, which is extraordinary. So..."
Coulthart: "I mean, this is very important, Jacques. Is this person willing to give evidence to a congressional inquiry, if they're not subject to classified limitations, security oaths, or NDAs?"
Vallée: "I asked him that because, obviously, I did not want to get into something that would take me, you know, beyond that range. And he said, 'No,' he was not... He asked, 'You know, do I need a special clearance for this?' He has done other work, you know, for the military."
Coulthart: "Right. But I was analyzing the implications of what you say in the diary about Gilbert. And to summarize it, it's more than a psychic once met an alien. What it is, is, a classified U.S. group allegedly possesses, or hosts, a living, non-human intelligent being, and they've been operating a systematic, multidisciplinary communication program with it, over time. And Gilbert was brought in as one specialist to conduct controlled communications with it. Do you accept that that's the implication of what you say in the diary?"
Vallée: "This is logical in terms of what we know from a long time. What the procedure would be. The structure was...did not go into psychic functioning, you know? The questions that they had been asked were basic physiological, physical questions. They brought [Gilbert] in so that he was authorized to create his own questions and to probe...to see to what extent he could elicit a response that would be a psychic response from that entity.
"The question is: At what level do they function? We know we have some ability to function on a psychic level. Some people can practice this better than others. We know from the SRI work by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ and others that this can be trained. As you know, I was involved in that project to some extent over several years, and with Ingo. So, I went through the procedure with Ingo for an entire year. What Gilbert is describing matches that very well. In other words, there was a procedure."
Coulthart: "So, you allude, Jacques, to the fact that Gilbert is, apparently, writing his own book about what he encountered. Can you clarify for me, though, is Gilbert willing to give evidence to the ongoing congressional investigations into this?"
(Good on Ross to follow-up because JV didn't answer it the first time.)
Coulthart: "There are very few people who are willing to give first-person evidence. And if he's not restrained by classification-security-oaths constraints, what's stopping him from coming forward, even confidentially, to a secure SCIF in the Congress, and giving this evidence?"
Vallée: "I cannot answer for him. He has a long career in helping, you know, different projects in a classified setting. So, he's quite capable of answering that. What I know is...I don't know that he is writing a book. There is a project for a series of interviews, and I've participated in that. I've given a few interviews about my own work. But I know he's been part of that project. I don't know how it's going to be released or whether it's going to be released. I'm not part of the business that owns that data."
(Well, whatever that is, it really needs to be released. Interviews in written form, or on camera?)
Coulthart: "I'm very excited by the Gilbert character, and forgive me for harping on about him. Can I at least clarify, Gilbert is a he."
(I'm just as excited. This COULD be HUGE!)
Vallée: "I don't want to give away any indication. You know, I have not had communication, recently. I don't know how far that project has gone. It's their project, and there is a boundary to what I can say."
Coulthart: "But who are they, Jacques? Like, when you say it's their project, you're talking about the individual known as Gilbert by pseudonym?"
Vallée: "And the release of that information. His intent is to release it."
Coulthart: "I've got to ask you this, and I appreciate you may not want to disclose, but is the person that you're talking about Keith Harary?"
Vallée: "Umm, no. I can definitely tell you it's not Keith."
(Later in this interview, JV said he met Gilbert when he (Gilbert) was 22. Out of the public names associated with gifted psychics and remote viewers, Harary comes close. But there's another possibility that I'll let ChatGPT lay out in the 2nd tweet.
If you've studied remote viewing, you know the name Keith Harary. If you'd like to read an excellent article written by Keith "Blue" Harary in Psychology Today, here ya go:
https://www.psychologytoday dot com/us/articles/200411/confessions-of-a-star-psychic
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Coulthart: "Is it Joe McMoneagle?"
Vallée: "[laughs] I shouldn't play... It's an interesting game, but, you know, there are two or three other names."
Coulthart: "Joseph McMoneagle, of course, Jacques, as you and I both know, he worked with you at SRI. He was remote viewer number one in the U.S. Army intelligence program."
Vallée: "I have enormous amount of respect for Mr. McMoneagle."
Coulthart: "So do I. Joe is probably one of the most respected remote viewers known to the U.S. military (JV shakes his head up and down in agreement) and the U.S. intelligence community. And I noted back in Forbidden Science 3, Joe told you about UFO-related material. And Joe talked about how a photograph of a disc had inexplicably disappeared from a classified safe under his sole control. And he you quoted him saying to you, 'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data.' What's going on here, Jacques?"
Here's the excerpt from FS V3...
"Joe [McMoneagle] once obtained a detailed photograph of a disk. He placed a copy in a locked safe with double combination, a classified safe under his sole control. Yet the photograph vanished.
â'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data,' he said, 'a level beyond the folks who run the satellites.'"
(The Gatekeepers?)
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Coulthart: "Clearly, someone - if it's Joe McMoneagle, let's just call them Gilbert. Someone invited Gilbert to a secure facility, presumably, a secure-government facility, yet at the same time we have the government - in the form of AARO, the Pentagon - asserting, blue and blind, that there is absolutely no evidence of extraterrestrial-non-human-intelligence engagement with this planet. We know that's not true. What's going on, sir? You, probably more than anyone, know the answer to that question."
Vallée: "It's a central question, of course, and I don't want to make, you know, to treat it in a humorous way. But I recall a conversation with Dr. Hynek when I was working with him back at Northwestern. And I said, 'You know, what does the Air Force say and what does the Air Force think?' And he said, 'Jacques, you have to understand, there is no such thing as the U.S. Air Force. There are projects within the Air Force that do different things.'"
(Kind of like when people say, "The GOVERNMENT does this and that." Like the Air Force, the U.S. government is not a monolith. AARO may have had no clue about the Gilbert story, until JV put out V7. Maybe they still don't know?)
Vallée: "And that's legitimate. [The USAF] are looking at different parts of, you know, the whole planet, with the tools they have. And they have different opinions about things, and they have budgets to pursue different things with different projects. And many times they don't know about the other project."
Coulthart: "Is it possible that Gilbert was being played?"
Vallée: "[shakes his head back and forth] No. No."
Coulthart: "That he was shown something that was an intention to try and see what a master remote viewer would think of what he was being shown?"
Vallée: "He's one of the best psychics in the world today, and has been throughout his career."
(It's impossible to know 100% that what Gilbert encountered (assuming this actually happened) was a non-human entity. And even if/when he comes forward, that won't change. We're going to need evidence besides anecdotes.)
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Coulthart: "So you find him very credible."
Vallée: "I met him when he was 22."
Coulthart: "What state was the location in, where this facility that he was taken to is located? Did he give you that indication?"
Vallée: "I don't know the level of if there is a security wrapper around this. I don't know at what level. So, I've purposely been vague in the book, again."
Coulthart: "I got that. Was there a date for the encounter? I think you indicated to me earlier it was about 20 years ago. Is that right?"
Vallée: "Yes."
Coulthart: "Have you seen any evidence proving that Gilbert was actually at that location? Has he provided you with any substantiating...or corroboration?"
Vallée: "No. No. No. And that's why I don't want to go beyond, you know, reporting about that conversation and my trust in the conversation. I have no way of checking this. My own experience would indicate that that kind of thing is happening. Probably (in many places)."
(Crosstalk, so I'm not 100% sure on "in many places." And what "experience" is JV talking about?)
Coulthart: "Can I ask you a few questions, though? And you don't have to answer these if you're uncomfortable. Did he physically touch the entity?"
Vallée: "No."
Coulthart: "Was the entity a prisoner?"
Vallée: "No. I asked him that question, of course, and he said the entity was a volunteer."
(We need all the details on how that happened. Via a crash retrieval? Did it knock on the door one day? Teleport into their lab? Amazon Prime delivery in a REALLY big box with holes in it? đ And why should we trust the entity?
My friend added this:
"A death-row prisoner agreeing to cooperate with authorities on something could be considered volunteeringâŠbut is still a prisoner. Did the being say itâs a volunteer or was it the people at the facility? Do we really have to wait around for a possible book we actually might never see?")
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Coulthart: "You, intriguingly, talk about, in your diary, captured or volunteer beings. You're clear that this being was there voluntarily?"
Vallée: "Yes."
Coulthart: "But it suggests that there are other beings that are captured."
Vallée: "I don't know. I'm not, you know, fudging here. I really don't know the answer."
Coulthart: "Okay. Do you know from Gilbert how long the entity had been with this facility, with the humans?"
Vallée: "No, and I asked Gilbert that. He did not know that. He was there just for that one presentation and that was..."
Coulthart: "Was the entity alive, in the sense that we think of something being biologically alive?"
Vallée: "Yes. Now, I have no doubt, as you know, I'm not an expert about Hollywood, but I've, occasionally, seen what Hollywood could do in terms of special effects. And, of course, everything can be a special effect."
(Again, according to JV, Gilbert may have seen, "a test article, a wired uniform or a safety container for the being rather than the body of an actual Alien." So, Gilbert may not know what it actually looked like. Hard to be definitive on what this entity was and we'll need to hear from Gilbert for more details.)
Coulthart: "Did Gilbert explain why he, a remote viewer, was required to communicate with the being, if, as you say in the diary, it was communicating with light?"
Vallée: "Yes, yes. Because the people in charge were smart enough to understand that the communication that that being was capable of was beyond the... I mean, we have the same thing with whales, you know? Whales can read the inside of your body. I mean, women who were attending to whales, the whale would know they were pregnant before they knew they were pregnant."
(That hasn't been proven.)
Vallée: "So, those situations are, you know...we have aliens (he smiled and I believe he used quotation marks with his hands) here on Earth in the form of some very intelligent animals that perceive things completely outside our range. So, it's not a new situation."
Coulthart: "No, but I think this is the revelation - I think, one of the most important revelations in your latest book - that we are talking here about someone who you accept as telling the truth, who says they were part of what sounds like a U.S. government, U.S. military program, where they were asked to communicate with a non-human being. Can I ask you this, sir? Did conventional spoken language fail, or was it not possible with this being?"
Vallée: "The answers were in the form of light configurations."
Coulthart: "And so, had we learned, had humans learned how to communicate with it through light?"
Vallée: "From what he told me, there was limited knowledge of what was positive and negative. He was asked to only frame questions in a way that where the answer could be yes or no, And that's why there were situations where he said he couldn't understand the answer."
(Yes or no questions? I'm gonna assume the entity had no thumbs. Thumbs up? đđœ Thumbs down? đđŒ đ)
Coulthart: "One of the things you say in your diary - and I've learned to read Jacques Vallee's diaries very, very closely indeed - you say Gilbert's answers matched earlier results. Earlier results from whom, Jacques? I really think this is a very important question. What are you talking about there?"
Vallée: "Well, the...you know, my understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while. I mean, this isn't just a one-off situation. They had a base. Again, I said, 'What were the insignias?' He said, 'They were probably people from different branches of the armed forces there. You know, the people there were experts, men and women, you know, who seemed to be coming and going.' There may have been other labs. You know, he was in one lab."
Coulthart: "Is it your understanding that this communication with this being is communicating today? Is it still happening?"
Vallée: "I have no way of knowing."
Coulthart: "So it was happening 20 years ago, but we don't know if that program is still operating today."
Vallée: "What was important to me, again, in terms of what we can derive from the database and from other, you know, all the other contact cases, is that the communication was primarily light, in the form of light."
Rhys Dalton-Morgan retweeted
I'm working on the Gilbert portion of this transcript (it's long) with @rosscoulthart & JV.
Ross pushed hard, but, as you can see, JV seemed to enjoy it.
I spoke to someone today for 45 mins who I felt would know about the Gilbert case. But they said they didn't. Still trying.
























