Replying to @softminus @RuxandraTeslo
and more specifically; there's this entire genre of document that dresses itself up as resigned acceptance hard-eyed forecasting but effectively functions as demoralization shock porn
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please tell me this is an exaggeration; that almost half of AI "safety" guys are straight-up successionists?? with an even higher percentage among people working at the frontier AI companies????
i can't digest this blackpill.
I wrote about "handoverism": a vision of permanent disempowerment of humanity, as we shall all be ruled by a (hopefully benevolent) AI God that is surprisingly common.
Even among those who want humanity to survive (which to be clear, is the majority), and among some who devote their working lives to this mission, I have encountered an alarmingly common vision of success that does not sound quite like success.
It is sometimes called “handoverism”: the gist here is that humanity survives, but entrusts the direction of its future entirely to AI. Perhaps its clearest articulation comes from a recent essay by Scott Alexander, the most prominent intellectual in Silicon Valley, who has influenced the thinking of many a tech CEO: “If we build a godlike AI, and determine to our own satisfaction that is fully aligned, I’d rather let it choose its own direction for itself and for humanity [...] So why not just prompt it with ‘please arrange the world as you see fit?’”
The premise is that, once sufficiently reassured of an AI’s benevolence (though it is unclear how we could ever determine that?), we should basically give it control of the workings of society. AI 2040, a proposal written by some of the most prominent members of the AI safety community, offers the most concrete account of handoverism. In this vision, responsibility gradually passes to aligned machines until humans can no longer have influence. As its authors put it: “There is no single moment where humanity relinquishes control. But in theory, there is a point of no return.” Others I have spoken to envisage a much swifter transfer.
This is not an organised movement. I would estimate that something like 40 per cent of the AI safety community outside the labs holds some variation of this view, with a higher proportion of those working inside the labs. Nor is handoverism a coherent doctrine with a clearly articulated political philosophy: it’s more of an aggregation of ideas, a makeshift philosophy so to speak. This is perhaps what one would expect given that humans outside the SF bubble have not really had time to react and come up with good and coherent ideas about what society should look like in the face of the extraordinary pace of AI progress.
The motivations behind handoverism are also extremely varied. Some outright welcome the prospect of a superior intelligence governing our future and consider it an actual positive vision. If I read Alexander correctly, he seems to be in that camp. The enthusiastic handoverist often starts from a very bleak view of what we already have achieved as a civilization. In an earlier, 2014 essay called “Meditations on Moloch,” Alexander argues that competition steadily grinds away what the competitors care about, creating spirals of misaligned incentives. Its ending suggests that the only way to stop this is to instantiate a sort of absolute rule by a benevolent superintelligence.
The second camp are the resigned: they do not necessarily want it, but think it cannot be stopped if we get superintelligence, or prefer it to outright extinction. In my conversations, this resignation has seemed particularly common among people in the AI safety community outside the labs. Inevitability is one very common theme in SF, where many see themselves as mere tools in the unrelenting march of technocapital, a march that can only go in one direction: towards superintelligence. It’s often seen as cool and based to see the starkness of reality for what it is and face it head-on, it is wimpy and loser-coded to try to fight for what many consider the good outcome (which is that humans retain some control and agency.)
Like many loosely defined ideologies, handoverism sits alongside ideas that share its intellectual roots without amounting to quite the same thing. One is the vision of humans as cherished pets, or “labradors,” cared for by intelligences. Yet another related assumption is that human labour will be permanently displaced. This would leave us without an obvious economic role and even perhaps no leverage over our own future or political rights.
To understand how my on-the-ground experience matches with what the lab leaders have said publicly, I asked my “agents” to survey all public statements from the founders of the main labs that are still relevant to the direction of their labs (Mustafa Suleyman is no longer at DeepMind, but is head of Microsoft AI.) You can browse all the findings here.
Some openly support or at least accept outright handoverism. Anthropic’s Tom Brown appears to be most explicitly reconciled to the prospect and he actually uses the term “handoff” in a 2025 interview at Lightcone: “There’s going to be a handoff where humanity will hand off control to transformative AI at some point. And hopefully they’ll be aligned with us and that’ll be a good transition that goes well.”
Replying to @GWHayduke97 @tracewoodgrains
utilitarianism is one of two memes:
1) the meme of the Chudjak with finger hovering over the "billions must die" button (with the thought experiments, see above, about whether the Chud should press the buttom)
2) Bike Cuck; itself explicitly in utilitarian terms, see pics rel
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Replying to @hecubian_devil @_ueaj
"human work output is valuable" has been the bedrock of whatever stability and beneficence has existed in every social and economic system on earth. "meaning" is an abstraction over that material reality (and the rightful fear about what happens when that bedrock is shattered)
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like "gradual disempowerment" / "inteligence curse" outcomes are catastrophic to mankind everywhere — human labor being valuable is the bedrock of _all_ beneficence that has existed in every society — but it's exceptionally galling to see those outcomes pushed as good in America
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the big problem is that rationalist/EA-inspired "AI safety" and "AI alignment" is so often an aegis / trojan horse / skinsuit for the normalization or enablement of AI successionism:
I wrote about “AI safety” and the seductive nature of tales of the end of the world
alexwennerberg.com/blog/2026…













